Climate Changed Podcast Season 4, Episode 1

Climate Changed Season 4 Episode 4

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S4E3 | If I can’t fix climate grief, then what can I do instead?

feat. Rabbi Ora Nitkin-Kaner, Climate Chaplain

S4E4 | What is the most hopeful act?

(Tending, Mending, Befriending)

“We are all completely capable of walking alongside one another and of holding one another through this time. We have this inherent human need to hold one another and care for one another.”
Rabbi Ora Nitkin-Kaner

Episode Summary | S4E3

In a world that feels like it’s unraveling, we often feel a desperate urge to “fix” our loved ones’ grief or solve the climate crisis ourselves. But what if the work of this moment isn’t about fixing? What if you’re called to something holier?

In this episode, Autumn Brown sits down with Rabbi Ora Nitkin-Kaner, a climate change chaplain who specializes in accompanying people through the “unfixable.” Together, they explore the sacred power of naming our feelings, the importance of moving through endings, and how spiritual leadership is less about providing answers and more about the courage to hold one another through uncertainty.

Episode Summary | S4E4

Hosts Nicole Diroff and Autumn Brown reflect on Autumn’s profound conversation with climate chaplain Rabbi Ora Nitkin-Kaner. They explore why radical honesty about our ecological reality is not an act of despair, but the foundation of true hope and agency.

As we navigate a world that feels increasingly like an “extended apocalypse,” Nicole and Autumn discuss the “ministry of presence”—the practice of sitting with grief rather than trying to fix it. Their conversation alights on parenting, martial arts, and caring for one another in a world hungry for freedoms. They also dive into the biological “fight or flight” responses triggered by the climate crisis and how we can look to our ancestors and the “more-than-human” world for models of resilience and survival.

Grounding Practice

We begin this episode with a reading of the poem “Anthropocene Pastoral” by Catherine Pierce, read by the poet herself. This grounding practice invites us to look directly at the changing world and find our breath amid beauty and loss.

Key Takeaways
  • The Power of Naming: Naming our climate grief is not a wall; it is a door. When we name what is true, we move from isolation into a shared reality
  • Survival as Legacy: We are all here because our ancestors survived “the end of the world” in various ways. We carry the capacity to move through endings and emerge changed but whole
  • Agency in Honesty: Honesty is a spark for connection. In a culture that often encourages looking away, the act of looking directly at climate reality is an act of spiritual agency
  • Accompanying vs. Fixing: Spiritual leadership in a climate-changed world involves “walking with” people in their distress rather than trying to resolve the distress for them
  • Tending, Mending, Befriending: Shifting away from urgency-based “yelling” toward spiritual care that acknowledges deep overwhelm
  • The More-Than-Human World: Exploring our identity as one species among millions and learning survival strategies from the ecological world
  • The Sacred Act of Naming: How being honest about our grief and naming the “unknowable” creates a path to communion and hope
  • Practicing Freedom: Insights from Autumn’s martial arts practice on how discipline and collaboration create the capacity for spontaneity and choice
  • Agency in Care: Reclaiming our biological and spiritual drive to both give and receive care as a fundamental tool for resilience

Next Steps & Practice

Based on the wisdom shared by Rabbi Ora and the follow-up reflections in Episode 4, here are concrete ways you can engage with climate grief in your own community:

  1. Practice “Radical Honesty”: Identify one climate-related grief you have been carrying. Share it with a trusted friend or write it down. Notice how the act of naming it shifts your relationship to the feeling.
  2. Ancestral Resilience: Reflect on an “ending” your ancestors survived. What qualities did they possess that allowed them to come out on the other side? How can you call upon those qualities today?
  3. Create a Space for Naming: Host a small gathering or a “Climate Cafe” where the only goal is to listen. Avoid the urge to offer solutions; focus entirely on the sacred act of accompaniment.
  4. Engage with Climate Fiction: As discussed in our follow-up, use stories to help imagine the world on the other side of these end
  5. Risk Honesty: Find a setting to let others know what’s on your heart — whether by leading a prayer in your faith community or by writing a letter to your local paper.
  6. Mini-Rituals: Create a simple line of acknowledgment or a “closing homily” during a daily task or gathering to ground your actions in a larger purpose.
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Blessing: May you know that you are loved, that you are worthy of love, just as you are. And may you know that you are capable of great love.

Climate Changed is…

A podcast by The BTS Center exploring some of the most pressing questions about faith, life, and climate change.

Produced by Peterson Toscano, the podcast features acclaimed guests such as Brian McLaren, Elizabeth Rush, Craig Santos Perez, and many more.

Meet Our Guest

Rabbi Ora Nitkin-Kaner is a climate change chaplain, educator, and innovative spiritual leader. As the founder of Exploring Apocalypse — a trauma-informed climate chaplaincy practice — she helps individuals and communities across faith traditions explore the spiritual disruptions, invitations, and reorientations of climate change.

Rabbi Ora sees curiosity as an important spiritual posture for living in a time of climate crisis. Her work moves folks from reactivity into responsiveness, and from self-abandonment into vulnerability-inspired care. Prior to her role as a climate change chaplain, Rabbi Ora served as a spiritual leader and pastoral caregiver in prisons, hospitals, and congregations across the United States. A poet, liturgist, and meditation teacher, she holds a BA and MA from the University of Toronto, as well as rabbinic ordination and an MA from the Reconstructionist Rabbinical College.

Meet Our Host

Autumn Brown

Autumn Brown (she/her) is an artist, facilitator, mother, and theologian. The front woman of the eponymously named soul-pop band, AUTUMN, she is a queer, mixed-race Black woman, a gifted facilitator and orator, and a freedom worker who grounds her approach to building movements for liberation in her belief in the innate capacity for healing that emanates from the human heart.

 

Meet Our Co-Host

Nicole Diroff

Rev. Nicole Diroff (she/her) is ordained in the United Church of Christ. She holds expertise in facilitation, data management, and strategic planning. Nicole is a certified Maine Master Naturalist, serves as Chair of the Spiritual Formation Committee at Williston-Immanuel United Church and is Co-Chair of the Diversity, Equity, Inclusion Committee for the Scarborough Public School District.

 

Meet Our Producer

Peterson Toscano

After spending 17 years and over $30,000 on three continents attempting to “de-gay” himself through conversion therapy, Peterson Toscano came out a quirky queer Quaker concerned with human rights. He also produces other podcasts including Citizens Climate RadioBubble & Squeak, and the Bible Bash PodcastPeterson has been featured in People Magazine, The Times of London, the Trya Banks Show, and NPR Morning Edition. He lives in Pretoria, South Africa with his husband, Glen Retief.

 

 

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